Now I read post 4 above: You're right about dot-net. that's why I say vb6 is best what MS ever released- all others as vb-dot-net equals with Johns opinions I was angry that MS went the dot-net-way- there was the direct (x/input) way open in 2003 also- but they went the .net-way... instead of going for the grail... dot-net is as cumbersome as callbacks... so OpenGL overtook in easy handling when Vista and 7 were released. But there's no language that comes close to vb6 (only basic4Android can stand the competition - and getting better) on windows-systems for my kind of there's currently nothing better than thinBasic available- I searched long and I was willing to pay a few bucks if it were good- none can fulfill my expectations. TB has greatest core and cool 3d - but UI is currently... lets say sumptuous... There's a big gap on the windows-driven-desktop-pc-market that no available language is able to satiate - MS trapped themselves caught between MS Small Basic and vb.net which both are far away from main-stream (where the money is) - either for minimalists or (free vb-net-express) for pro-professionals that code for a living and have to deal with the stuff that MS commits or are willing let MS overtake their computers ( on Win8 you have no more rights- you have to ask MS before you install software and have to accept any of their updates unasked...- just kidding!) but they left a large hole when they stopped support for vb6 because they did not release any better follower but just filthy dot-net which is cumbersome dirt-crap that none wants to use if not urged to with a shotgun