downloading from new site question [Archive] - thinBasic: Basic Programming Language Community Forum

matthew

10-09-2007, 00:49

I've just managed to download the Preview version of thinBasic successfully. :)

But I did encounter the problem of downloads not completing on another Forum. It was tracked down to a problem with a Website script that counted the number of downloads.

sandyrepope

10-09-2007, 06:55

I tried again to download the preview and could only get 27% of the file so there must be something wrong at my end. I wish I could figure out what it is.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

10-09-2007, 07:15

Sandy,

I fall into similar problems too in other web sites in the past and usually it was a cache problem. Please delete your browser cache and try again.
If you have Internet Explorer use menu Tools/Internet Options/ and than search for "Clear cache" or something like that.
If you have FireFox it should be a very similar path.

Let me know.
Eros

sandyrepope

10-09-2007, 16:13

ErosOlmi, I tried clearing the cache and downloading again. I still can't get the preview to download completely. I'll keep searching for the problem.

Thanks
Sandy

Petr Schreiber

10-09-2007, 16:40

Sandy,

which browser do you use ?
I tried in Firefox 2.0.0.6 and Internet Explorer 6.0, both without problem.

Thanks,
Petr

sandyrepope

11-09-2007, 00:00

I tried in Firefox 2.0.0.6 and Internet Explorer 6.0, both without problem.

I've tried with both. I'll just have to keep looking until I find out what my problem is.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

11-09-2007, 06:28

Sandy,

I've downloaded thinBasic from different computers in different networds with different internet connections but not found any problem so far. So, the following is a list of action I can think you can do in sequence in order to try to understand what is going on.

clear the cache again
when downloading, always use "Save to disk" and not directly open
de-activate temporarly any anti virus or anti-spyware. Try to download again. Then activate them again.
do not use any download manager
if you use IE, de-activate any toolbar like MSN toolbar or Google toolbar (they are a sort of spyware)
if possible, try to download thinBasic from a different computer and see if it makes any difference
what IE version do you have installed? If not IE7, possibly install IE7
apply all security Microsoft updates using Microsoft Update web site you can find in IE and menu Tools/Microsoft updates. Attention, if never done before, it can takes a lot of time and will install WGA

Ciao
Eros

Petr Schreiber

11-09-2007, 18:51

Hi Eros,

maybe this is weird idea, but for such a cases what about service "Mail with tasty attachement" ;)

In case of such a problematic situation it would be possible to request email from thinBASIC with thinBASIC STABLE or PREVIEW as attachement. This should solve client side issues with determined server ... or not ?
It could be handled by script.

Bye,
Petr

sandyrepope

11-09-2007, 18:58

I still haven't figured out what my problem is with downloading the preview.

What's strange is that I downloaded the free pascal (a 32 MB file) without any trouble. I must admit I was surprised when it downloaded ok.

I'll keep trying to find my problem.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

11-09-2007, 19:40

@Sandy

I've done the following on the server that hosts thinBasic web site:

shut down web server and restarted (IIS6)
cleaned web site cache
deleted thinBasic preview version 1.4.0.1 ZIP file and re-uploaded
I'm now re-organizing the hard disk that contains web site plus all files

Can you please try again?
I'm sorry about that but if you already did my previous indications plus the action I've done now, the only thing it remain is to restart the server. I can do that but only after a last confirmation from you.

@Petr
You idea is nice and I will see how to do it.
In any case it worry me a bit due to the limitations of many mail server about total mail size and mostly about the possibility to receive connections from automatic software that will generate a lot of traffic and we do not have big band here but just 1024Kb. Thanks in any case for the suggestion.

Ciao
Eros

ErosOlmi

11-09-2007, 20:13

@Sandy

I've added a new forum functionality to be able to download from forum.
Go to forum home page and look at right side under "Recent posts" there is a new block caled "Downloads" (available only to registered and logged in users).

Try to download from there and see if it works. Please let me know.

Ciao
Eros

sandyrepope

12-09-2007, 02:53

I tried both ways and still can't get a complete download. Both ways stop after 26%. Maybe I should wait for the next update and try again then.

I was wondering if anyone has the preview on their site and would let me try to download from there?

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi, I appreciate all the work you've done trying to help me get it to download.
Sandy

Michael Hartlef

12-09-2007, 07:23

If Eros doens't mind, then I will put it up at my webspace.

ErosOlmi

12-09-2007, 08:52

Mike, no problem at all.

Michael Hartlef

12-09-2007, 11:17

Ok Sandy, you can get it from here:

http://www.michaelhartlef.de/downloads/thinbasic_1.4.0.1_20071001.zip

sandyrepope

12-09-2007, 16:11

Thank you Mike. The file downloaded without any problems. Now all I have to do is figure out why I can't get it from the thinbasic site.

Thanks
Sandy

sandyrepope

13-09-2007, 16:07

I tried again to download the preview version and again got only 27% of the file.

I was wondering.... Does my type of connection make any difference? I have a dial-up connection but I don't see how this could make any difference.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

13-09-2007, 16:16

Sandy,

I've no idea at the moment. Of course DialUp is much slower but should not make any difference.
Did you had the chance to try to download from a PC different from yours? Or from another netword connection?

Eros

sandyrepope

13-09-2007, 16:54

Of course DialUp is much slower but should not make any difference.
That's what I thought but I wasn't completely sure.

Did you had the chance to try to download from a PC different from yours? Or from another netword connection?
I know only one person that I could ask to try the download but last week his machine was taken out by lightening and he doesn't know when he will be able to afford a new one.

I don't have another network connection at this time.

I'll keep trying to find a solution to my problem.

Thanks for all the help I've received.

Sandy

sandyrepope

14-09-2007, 03:56

Mike. I hope you don't get mad at me but can I ask you a favor?

Could you put up the 9-11 preview so I can download it?

I know that I'm asking a lot and don't feel bad if you would rather not. I'll understand.

Thanks
Sandy

Michael Hartlef

14-09-2007, 06:34

No problem Sandy, if it helps a fellow TB user, then I'm glad I can help. File is updated. Get it from the link above. But I think it is the same as before.

Eros, are they any different? The link in the box on the right below says 11.09.2007. When you go through the website, it says 09.09.2007.

ErosOlmi

14-09-2007, 07:09

Yes, they are the same.
I removed download area from the forum. It didn't resolve Sandy problem.

Michael Clease

14-09-2007, 09:05

I rememener my dial up days and thats when i started using a download manager http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_download_managers

I'm on dsl now and i still use Getright and have done for years, I know there are some arguments about spyware and tracking but if your line drops out least you can continue your download.

I've uploaded the preview to mediafire site I remember some else having problems downloading and this worked for them.

http://www.mediafire.com/?3f3xnn1idjr

sandyrepope

14-09-2007, 16:23

I have a question. Does the thinbasic site have resume support?

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

14-09-2007, 16:23

No Sandy.
Download is managed by web server that is IIS6 under Win2003 Server

sandyrepope

15-09-2007, 00:12

Abraxas, I tried the link you posted and got the download without any problems.

Thanks
Sandy

sandyrepope

24-09-2007, 17:11

When I read that there was a new preview out I tried to download it. Same results as before. I still can't get a complete download. I've done everything I could think of to fix my problem. Also tried all the suggestions I received on the forum.

I've decided that I won't be able to get the preview and have quit trying. I haven't had any trouble with the 9-9 download so I'll just keep using that one.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me.
Sandy

ErosOlmi

24-09-2007, 17:25

Sandy,

when back home this night I will think about a backup solution.
I think I will put in place a backup server on another system with another domain. But it will require some days. In the meantime maybe Mike can backup again the download.

Sorry.
Eros

Michael Hartlef

24-09-2007, 18:09

Done, see link above. :)

Michael Clease

24-09-2007, 18:17

Eros is there a way of doing a thin package. ie most of the files in the update are not changed (guessing) how about a smaller file with just the updated files or is that a pain in you know where.

ErosOlmi

24-09-2007, 19:37

I tried in the past to make "progressive" update but didnt' come to an end.

To build a release we have an automatic series of script and batch files that build all what is needed to create the final setup. Adding changes checks can be an idea but quite complex. Maybe project has reached a quite big size to consider something new about build and distibution. Complexity is due to the many parts the final application is build (modules and libraries).

Thanks a lot for the suggestion. It is something we have to think about.

Ciao
Eros

sandyrepope

25-09-2007, 02:23

Mike, Thank you for giving me the chance to try downloading the preview. I wasn't able to get a good download. I tried several times.

The only thing I have left to suspect is my internet service provider. After the first of October I'll get another provider to see if I can get the file. For about a week I've been thinking about switching my provider anyway. For the last 6 weeks I've been having trouble logging on and I now suspect that my provider is the problem.

After I find a new provider and check it out I'll know for sure.

Thanks
Sandy

Michael Hartlef

01-10-2007, 21:35

Sandy, did that mean that you couldn't download it this time from my webspace either?

Anyway, I updated the link in the former post: http://community.thinbasic.com/index.php?topic=1174.msg8198#msg8198

sandyrepope

02-10-2007, 04:41

Mike, I managed to download the latest file just fine. (the one you dated 1001.)

The one before it I couldn't get to download and still don't know why. I did notice that my computer said that the file was only 4.3 mb. I don't know if this means anything or not.

Thanks
Sandy
P.S. I still can't get it to download from the thinbasic site.

Michael Hartlef

02-10-2007, 10:24

I'm glad you got this one!

Michael Hartlef

04-10-2007, 11:39

Argggh, it's catchy. :o

I can't download the newest update either anymore. And I wasn't able to get the 23rd of September update completely either. :'(

Sorry Sandy, I'm out of the game now too.

Eros, I noticed that the download from your site became much slower. About a forth of my regular download rate.

Michael Clease

04-10-2007, 11:59

try this

http://www.mediafire.com/?7f5x9ame7tx

Michael Hartlef

04-10-2007, 12:13

Thank you!

ErosOlmi

04-10-2007, 12:33

OK,

I've just bought a new domain that will be online in a week.
New hosting will be on a different server and will be dedicated to support users and other things.
Hope this will solve the problem.

If someone have problems downloading thinBasic files, I can send by mail, providing you mail can handle 6Mb (plus 1/3 due to Base64 encoding) attached files.
Remember I can give for free gmail accounts, just in case.

Eros

Michael Hartlef

04-10-2007, 18:34

Don't know what happened. Since ever you changed the site. But to me it looks like it is sever related. Before I got allways around 80kbits donwload speed, which is not very much comparing to my webspace. And now I tinkering with 20kbit whne I try to download the newest previews. Generally the forum seems to be slower too. You said that in the beginning it was because of constant updates to the site. Is that still the fact?

ErosOlmi

04-10-2007, 18:41

I have to investigate with my provider. Effectively bandwidth seems slower than before.
I'm not making any massive updates in recent period. I see there are a lot of spiders on the web site and in forum but not so continuosly.

Anyhow, I've bought thinBasic.org domain hosted into another web server with different band. I will use it as mirror for downloads.

Thanks for the indications.
I will get back when more info.

Eros

ErosOlmi

04-10-2007, 18:54

I have restarted the server but seems not big difference.
I'm checking ...

Petr Schreiber

04-10-2007, 18:54

Sounds great Eros,

me and Mike just realised www.thinbasic.com was not accessible for some minutes.
Aha, so it was restart
Hope it is not due my overusage of GeSHI for thinBASIC codes :-[

Thanks,
Petr

kryton9

05-10-2007, 05:52

I usually get 70-75k/s download, but I too noticed much slower download speeds lately.

ErosOlmi

05-10-2007, 12:25

OK, I've open a support ticket in my provider help desk system.
They have already replied that tech dept. men are checking.

I will let you know.
Eros

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 13:19

It seems to me download speed is better now.

Michael Hartlef

06-10-2007, 13:31

Nope, it got even worse for me. Downloading now with 8.4 KB. I tested my own webspace and the file I loaded up for Sandy comes down with 520 kB. I'll let you know if I get it completely down at least.

Michael Hartlef

06-10-2007, 13:49

Nope, stopped after 2.6 MB. I noticed, the slower the connection is the less you get downloaded.

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 14:12

I've got access to new thinBasic.org web space.
A new url where to download current thinBasic preview version 1.4.0.1 is:

http://www.thinbasic.org/public/applications/thinbasic/thinBasic_1.4.0.1.zip

I'm still checking why current download are is working so bad.

sandyrepope

06-10-2007, 16:02

ErosOlmi, I tried the link and was able to download the preview without any trouble. I still don't understand what the trouble was before.

I appreciate all the work you are doing so that we can download the preview.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 17:12

Well,

good to know it now works. I'm still trying to understand the reason too.
I'm "discussing" >:( with my provider to see why a 50 USD a year web shared virtual hosted site (thinbasic.org) is working while a 1500 USD a year dedicated physical web server (thinbasic.com) not.

I will keep informed. All new future thinBasic versions will have a mirror where to download from.

Ciao
Eros

Michael Hartlef

06-10-2007, 17:35

Thanks Eros for the effort. The download from the new location went fine.

Petr Schreiber

06-10-2007, 19:27

Hi,

just for comparsion, from thinBASIC.com I get the preview version starting at 60 KB/s to 90KB/s ( I can grab files at 212KB/s at max ).

From thinbasic.org I have to wait till Firefox thinks its time :) ( some seconds ) and then download is very fast ( again just some seconds ).

What is better traffic tactics now - those who have not problems continue to download from tb.com and rest from tb.org, or all from tb.org ... ? :)

Thanks,
Petr

Michael Clease

06-10-2007, 19:44

Eros could just save his bandwidth and just host the file somewhere else thats free with no restrictions on downloaders.

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 19:56

I prefer to remain into thinBasic "world" and not host files in other webs where they put ads or something like that. Opening a web space and a domain is very simple and took me just 5 mins, so no problem at all considering also the very low costs.

I can download from thinbasic.org at more than 250kbytes per seconds and it is in the same room where thinbasic.com is. So, same provider, same infrastructure. There must be some configuration to check or some items in the contract of the dedicated server I was not aware. Download speed from thinbasic.com was not so low in the past and no-one had problems downloading from there. Something has happened. I do not know what but I would like to understand. In next days I will apply all Microsoft updated to the OS in the server and see if something will change.

In any case now there is a mirror I will keep updated. I've created a menu here in the left part of the forum.

Ciao
Eros

Randall

06-10-2007, 21:32

thinbasic.com - preview = 53 Kb/sec
thinbasic.org - preview = 115 Kb/sec

I'm located north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

Using FireFox 2.0.0.7

GSAC3

06-10-2007, 21:53

Since BUNDLE in 1.4.0.1 is not working yet, I tried to download 1.4.0.0 (stable version}, however, I can not get the download to complete (same problem I had with trying to download 1.4.0.1 earlier).

Is the 1.4.0.0 (stable version) available for download from an alternate site that does work?

Don B.

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 21:56

Ciao GSAC3 and welcome.

Current thinBasic preview version 1.4.0.1 have bundling functionality recovered so you should be able use bundling from inside thinAir. If not, let me know.
Regarding stable version 1.4.0.0 I will add it right now in new mirror site. Give me 10 mins.

Ciao
Eros

ErosOlmi

06-10-2007, 22:02

OK, new mirror links are present in the left "Main menu" of the forum.

GSAC3

07-10-2007, 02:46

Eros:

Thnx. Downloads work fine now.

The BUNDLE in 1.4.0.1 also seems to be working fine.

Don B.

Michael Hartlef

19-10-2007, 20:55

I noticed a very fast forum today and also tried to download from the main sever. Got a working zip file with the preview in around 90.9 kbit/sec . I think we are back to normal server speed here. :)

kryton9

19-10-2007, 22:21

Just to try out the downloads... from the mirror site, I got the best ever by far downloading from thinBasic, average 200KB/sec

From the main server, 40KB/Sec which is on the low end of normal as usually it is between 60-70KB/sec.

sandyrepope

20-10-2007, 04:48

Please consider putting the tbgl bonus packs on the mirror site.

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

20-10-2007, 12:07

Done. In the download page of the packs the is the alternative download link.

Thanks for the suggestion Sandy.

sandyrepope

20-10-2007, 16:00

Thank you for putting the files on the mirror site. I've downloaded them and can hardly wait to check out the files.

Thanks
Sandy

sandyrepope

22-10-2007, 02:16

I went to the download site to see if I could get the preview file by clicking the download button. I got a new error message. I'm afraid I don't understand it as I've never seen this before.

I am posting a copy of the message I got.

Has anyone seen this before?

Thanks
Sandy

ErosOlmi

22-10-2007, 06:52

Hey Sandy,

another stange things but, like the other time, we need to take into consideration.
I tryed to download bot from official and from mirror site and all went fine. Hope others can confirm it.
Regarding .part file it seems an interrupted download temp file or a file created by a download manager.

I will search some info on the web because I'm not aware of the error you reported. Maybe others know what that error is about.

Eros

ErosOlmi

22-10-2007, 07:00

Found something that reports a very close situation.

... try clearing the TEMP directory. The error indicates where the system TEMP directory is located, typically under C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\<username>\LOCAL SETTINGS\TEMP. Go to this folder and delete its contents.

If unable to see the folder in Windows Explorer, choose Tools>Folder Options. On the View tab, make sure the option to "Show hidden files and folders" is chosen and that "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. Once the TEMP directory has been emptied, reboot the computer and try to run the report again.

If errors are still received, try changing the location of the TEMP directory. To do this, right click on the My Computer icon on the desktop and choose Properties. An Advanced tab will display with an Environment Variables button. When choosing the Environment Variables button, it should display a dialog where the TEMP and TMP directories can be edited. Try editing these variables and pointing them somewhere simple, like C:\TEMP, where full read/write access is enabled. Once these changes are made, reboot the computer and try to perform the operation again.

But better to wait others to write their idea about this.

ErosOlmi

22-10-2007, 07:02

Another option can be the antivirus software intercepting the download and for some reason breaking it.
What AV do you use?

Michael Hartlef

22-10-2007, 10:53

sandyrepope

22-10-2007, 14:00

Downloaded fine here. The .PART extension really looks like some kind of download manager. Either by a Download Manager app or maybe you have a plugin for your browser thta takes care of that. I never saw something like this, but I avoid all these download managers so my thoughts are just guessing.

I'm using Mozilla Firefox browser and what ever comes with it. I don't know if Firefox has a download manager or not. I'll try to find out.

Thanks
Sandy