New Age Oracles

[danbaron]

Apparently, no "Ascension" occurred on 2012-12-21.

But, were they deterred?

No!

(Would you rather enslave yourself to someone who is delusional, someone who is a fraud, or, someone who is both?)

http://goldenageofgaia.com/
(http://http://goldenageofgaia.com/)

[Charles Pegge]

Hi Dan, I thought you might have ascended :D

Never mind. Next opportunity 21st March 2013

[danbaron]

Lately, I am skeptical about any spirituality.

My experience is that, you or I can pray all day, and the effect is zero.

Anyone can try two experiments.

Go for 6 months or a year, praying for those who are important to you.

Then, go for 6 months or a year, not praying at all.

My experience is that, the outcomes are the same.

Of course, during both experiments, you should expend your own energy doing what you are able to, to help those you want help for.

I have been following the website I referenced above, since maybe the beginning of 2012 - so, I guess I can be accused of being gullible - but, also, it is interesting to me to try to understand these people, who, statistically, I think are quite unusual.

It does seem to me, that some people think that, if enough people believe something, then, that something, if it does not already exist, will manifest - from nothing.

I am quite cynical about such beliefs.

Additionally, my observation is that New Age practitioners are relatively financially secure - it's a lot easier to believe in magic, when, for instance, you don't have leprosy, and are not starving to death.

I think at the end of the 19th century, those who believed in the various forms of spiritualism which were popular then, also were concomitantly financially secure.

I guess, one pejorative term I can think of to describe New Age Believers is, "dilettantes" (<- Doesn't English go out of its way to make spelling difficult?).

But, especially with reference to the above website, how can an observer make the delineation between delusion and fraud?

My guess is that in most cases it is not a case of either or, both contribute simultaneously.

Concerning the same website, its name has now been changed from, "the2012scenario" to, "goldenageofgaia".

I guess everyone is supposed to forget that none of the spectacular promises which were predicted for on or before 2012-12-21, manifested - or at least, not one promise which could be confirmed with one or more of the standard five human senses.

So, I see a similarity to a cult - no prediction can ever be verified to have happened.

And, amazingly, like in a cult, a large percentage of the followers remain, even after predictions have again and again not materialized.

The website has come up with, what seems to me to be, a new sales pitch, "The Nova Earth Society".

And, coincidentally, serendipitously, The Nova Earth Society wants the website visitors to contribute $100,000 to it, in the next two weeks.

My guess is that it is dreaming if it thinks if will receive anywhere near that amount.

Cults have their own vocabularies - yes?

Members in good standing at "The Golden Age of Gaia", are referred to as "lightworkers" (always flatter those who you want something from, correct?).

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Let me know if and when anyone can provide sensory evidence for any of the claims of Buddha, Jesus, the Bible, etc.

Until then, isn't the simplest explanation that, humans are not more than their bodies?

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And, let me know when 100,000 people, using the combined power of their common intention, can raise a penny one inch into the air.

Maybe you will think this is bragging, but, just by using the muscles in my arm and hand, I can simultaneously raise hundreds of pennies to the ceiling!

[Charles Pegge]

Smart one: :)



Our goal is to maintain a degree of normalcy in your societies and to make it look as if nothing much is changing. This is intended to be a temporary façade, as in reality much has changed and is nearly ready to manifest. This is being done for the sake of stability because back in the 1990s, we learned that your world was unable to handle huge surprise events, or even big change on an incremental scale. We have therefore instituted a number of stopgap measures which will secure the appearance of normalcy and keep largely under wraps what is about to happen. Until we reach the launch point, know that a grand change is on the near horizon which will bloom naturally and organically when the magic moment arrives.


http://galacticchannelings.com/english/sheldan08-01-13.html

[danbaron]

I read Galactic Channelings too.

Sometimes I find errors in grammar and syntax - I guess those are the fault of the receiver (the channeler), not the transmitter (ET, dead person, etc.).

To me, what is most likely, is that the channelers are frauds, whether or not they realize it.

Could the common thread connecting most channelers be that, previously they were "nobodies", and by channeling, they became "somebodies"?

I guess such people could actually be fooling themselves, deluded.

And, of course there would also be those who get emotional gratification from successful deception.

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Absolutely, I think for at least 99% of people, truth is not the highest priority.

A person, or a group of people, could intuit the most complicated detailed beautiful theory or story, but, reality, truth, doesn't care.

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The next quote, I would most likely put in the box labeled, "bullcrap".


Your planet is completing the preliminaries for a magnetic pole shift that will change your world from a dipolar realm to a true monopolar one.

[Charles Pegge]

I think channelling (and hypnotic states) are in the realm of imagination. But what truths and mathematical insights are to be found there.

Computer programmers should be called 'crystal workers', as we spend much of our time invoking spells on wafers of fine silicon and quartz :)

[danbaron]

I do feel some antagonism towards, some contempt for, the New Age cognescenti, and the associated channelers.

If you present something as non-fiction, when, it is in fact fiction, then, are you not either dishonest, delusional, or deceived?

Why did I include "deceived"?

Because, I can imagine situations in which a dishonest or delusional person, convinces others.

Those others may then attempt to convince still more, but, they (the others) are unaware that the claims are false.

I suspect this often occurs with respect to religious evangelizing.

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Why are people so prone to promoting what they wish was, instead of what most likely is?

[Charles Pegge]

Have you come across Dolores Cannon yet?

There are plenty of Youtubes and radio, but these book reviews are good too:

The Convoluted Universe

http://www.amazon.com/The-Convoluted-Universe-Book-One/product-reviews/1886940827/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_2?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=2&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

[Charles Pegge]

This is an earlier work by Dolores Cannon

In one chapter she relates the concept of Imprints by which a soul can assimilate somebody elses past life experinces. - Sounds like a celestial memory stick :)

The Death Experience
1993

http://galactic.no/rune/DoloresCannon_books/Dolores-Cannon-Between Life and Death.pdf

[danbaron]

Lately, I guess I have acquired an angry, cynical outlook.

Here is what I currently think.

The most reliable existential model for a person to base his outlook on, is that, all existence is meaningless.

We do not exist for any great unknown purpose.

We are not more than our bodies.

When someone dies, he simply ceases to exist in any and every form.

No ETs have ever been to this planet.

All that exists, is material - there are no spiritual beings, there is no spiritual realm.

Morality is purely, entirely, subjective.

Anyone who says he has knowledge of ETs, or the spiritual realm, is some combination of deluded and fraudulent.

In my opinion (as of today), if you accept this existential model, you will go through your entire life and encounter no verifiable sensory (five standard senses) evidence which refutes it.

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Would people who believe what I said above, still have children?

I think that, experience demonstrates, that they do!

Why would they?

I think because, they are biologically programmed to be (at least relatively) unhappy, until they do.

They reproduce, not for the benefit of their children, but, only for the benefit of themselves (although, in almost every case, they will do all they can to deny this truth, even to, maybe especially to, themselves).

[Charles Pegge]

Convoluted Universe



DC: But what people don’t understand is once you enter the body in any life, even the ones from past lives, as soon as you enter the body, you forget, because that’s the way it’s supposed to work. It doesn’t make sense to me [laughs], but they say it does, because when you come in, the blinders come down. I’ve taken them through the birth experience and they’re saying: I’ve got to remember, I’ve got to remember. And then when they’re born, they’ll say: I don’t remember anymore. It’s all gone.
I asked them one time: "Wouldn’t it be easier if we could remember why we came, if we could remember our assignment, if we could remember our association with other people?" They said: "No, it wouldn’t be a test if you knew the answers."
KC: [laughs]
DC: So we come in with everything taken away and we have to fumble through it all to find our way back.


Camelot / Kerry Cassidy / Interview / 2010


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH0L_bffAA

Transcript

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/dolores_cannon_interview_transcript_en.html

[LanceGary]

Lately, I guess I have acquired an angry, cynical outlook.

Here is what I currently think.

The most reliable existential model for a person to base his outlook on, is that, all existence is meaningless.

We do not exist for any great unknown purpose.



Some philosophers have argued that we create our own meaning. We are like children building sand castles on the beach. We know the tide will come in and wash them away, but we build them anyway, and the building of them is the meaning of our lives.

Lance

[danbaron]

Absolutely, today I am highly skeptical of people who claim to have existential answers.

For true idiocy and fraud (in my opinion), look at http://goldenageofgaia.com/. The New Age "masters" there pontificated on and on for years about the astounding changes that would occur on or before 2012-12-21. That date came and went. Nothing happened. But, incredibly to me, that fact has not slowed them down at all (I notice no embarrassment, no humiliation, no shame - cuckoo? sociopathic? both?). (I swear I see a great similarity between the New Age movement, its leaders and followers, - and cults.)

I don't intend to be nasty, but sometimes I feel nasty.


They said: "No, it wouldn’t be a test if you knew the answers."

Simply put, right now I would classify that quote as plain, not very intelligent, B.S.

(But, I would be disingenuous if I did not admit, that I hope Charles is correct.)

When I hear supposedly enlightened people say that we are here to learn lessons, and that we volunteered to endure the lives we live, I almost always notice that the lives of the people making the pronouncements, are physically and materially comfortable.

I wonder why that would be.

My experience has been that often these "lessons" are like getting your face smashed 100,000 consecutive times into a pile of rocks, I guess so that you can learn that it hurts.

Whoever is the author of these lessons, must be convinced that we are extremely stupid, correct?

And, obviously, percentage-wise, almost all of the so-called animals, are subjected to short miserable lives - they "signed up" for that? Because, somehow, the benefits would be so great?

Concerning what Lance wrote, to me, those philosophers are just adding "decoration" to what I said.

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For most people, it would be very hard to go through life convinced that at death, they would cease to exist, yes or no?

Is it correct to say that if humanity as a whole did not believe in the spirit world, then, there would be no humanity?

With respect to supernatural beliefs, I think the fact that the majority of people believe something, is independent of whether the belief is true or false.

(If, for instance, 99.9% of penguins believe a particular thing, does that make it true? Demonstrate to me, that, relative to the universe, humans are more significant than penguins.)

Concerning the many recent catastrophic terrorist events, how many times has the composite of humanity shown, that it will believe exactly what the faces on TV tell it to believe?

Evidence of truth, is how many people believe it? Ha! Ha!

(In my opinion, people are herd animals. And, in any herd, the safest place from attack, is in the center. (And, it is very comforting to believe the herd's optimistically fantastic consensus, about frightening observations over which the herd has no control, yes? Whether the consensus is true, is not so important, correct? And, little kids believe in Santa Claus, too, right?))