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danbaron
28-01-2012, 01:23
This article is somewhat interesting to me.

Because, I have noticed what he is talking about in myself.

I can put it like this - I can't be satisfied, at least I know I can't be satisfied here, in this life.

In my sleep, in my dreams, I can imagine much better existences, which, have no termination.

I think we constantly try to satisfy ourselves materially, because, in an apparently solely material world, there is nothing else to grasp onto.

You can't take a thing to the grave, and, even if we technologically conquered death, how long would it be before our dissatisfaction with this life, drove us to seek death?

(Of course, you could look at it the other way, and say that, we are only biological machines designed to propagate our genes into the future. In that case, I guess our inability to be content, somehow facilitates that propagation. And, the fact that we are discontent, matters to no one but ourselves.)

I've reached the age where I've thought about this topic. I've thought to myself, if I could just wish whenever I wanted to, and instantly have anything in this world, would I be satisfied? - the answer, no.

I think the result is, my search for confirmation of a spiritual reality, which, hopefully if I was part of, would cause me to be satisfied.

Why else would I like to play in pool tournaments, and to climb up the mountains I can access? - for sure it's not to make money.

I think part of the draw to computer programming is similar - imagining and creating make our dreams seem less hopeless.

Here, we always are faced with the disparity between what we can imagine, and what we are confronted with.

One more factor is that, as humans, we are social. How long would anyone want to live in a world where he was the only instance of life?

You know, that's why the worst punishment (at least in American prisons), is to put someone in solitary confinement.

And even worse, which they did at Guantanamo Bay, is the infliction of sensory deprivation.

It seems to me that there is no worse torture than that.

"A brain in a jar,
#the worst torture by far.."

If and when the five senses are, "turned off", the person then can receive no information.

Actually, I think the worst aspect of physical torture is, isolation.

The physical pain causes the person to experience it at the exclusion of all else - he becomes absolutely alone.

What is scarier than being absolutely alone for an unknown duration?

And even more, being absolutely alone and in intolerable physical pain, for an unknown duration? - the recipe for future insanity/suicide.

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/01/why-are-we-always-spiritually-hungry/

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(http://the2012scenario.com/2012/01/why-are-we-always-spiritually-hungry/)(Can you imagine what people like Helen Keller go through?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller

Can you imagine being the parent of such a child?

(No mercy in this life, right?)

What saints/angels, just to endure it.

It happened to her at 19 months.

Can you imagine being born that way?

How many worse circumstances could there be?

Do you think that, maybe, Anne Sullivan was very smart?)

LanceGary
29-01-2012, 01:05
Dan wrote:

"The physical pain causes the person to experience it at the exclusion of all else - he becomes absolutely alone."

This reminds me of the W H Auden poem, "Surgical Ward":

SURGICAL WARD

W H Auden

They are and suffer; that is all they do;
A bandage hides the place where each is living,
His knowledge of the world restricted to
The treatment that the instruments are giving.

And lie apart like epochs from each other
-Truth in their sense is how much they can bear;
It is not talk like ours, but groans they smother-
And are remote as plants; we stand elsewhere.

For who when healthy can become a foot?
Even a scratch we can't recall when cured,
But are boist'rous in a moment and believe

In the common world of the uninjured, and cannot
Imagine isolation. Only happiness is shared,
And anger, and the idea of love.

danbaron
29-01-2012, 06:34
He stole it from me!

I'll sue!!

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I can think of another good one, "Burn Ward".

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But, seriously, I agree.

"In the common world of the uninjured, and cannot
Imagine isolation. Only happiness is shared,
And anger, and the idea of love."

"Everyone's alone,
#but for most it's seldom known.."