Crop Circles Decoded?

[jack]

never paid too much attention to crop circles because of too many frauds (by fraud I mean man made), but this looked interesting to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4CYcp5wObs

[kryton9]

Thanks I enjoyed watching the video. Just like in UFO videos, so many fakes both good and bad quality that are put out to dilute the topic.

I know humans can do incredible artistic creations, but some of those crop circles if done in one night are just too hard to imagine a human making them. Especially when you see them from lower angles or ground level.

You can see that laying out some of those complex designs without an aerial view would be too hard to do.

If you have ever seen surveyors work to lay out just property lines or new lines for construction, you see that it is a time consuming process and even with that quality of measurement devices, could anyone make a complex design in one night?

[jack]

I am not convinced that the crop circles in this video are in fact made by aliens, but they are interesting nonetheless.
when the video ends, there's another video about the Mayan calendar and crop circles, they show a Mayan calendar as three gears and wonder if there's a computer program of that version of the calendar freely available.

[zak]

i kept the problem running in the background, i think the things outside have its own intelligence , this is one of the favorites in horror movies.
many primitive tribes believe that the nature such as the jungle have a spirit and can be active. okay this is about beliefs. what about more scientific approach ?:
from the moment the universe born in the big bang the parts of matter (sisters and brothers) keeps in connection instantaneously like the quantum entanglement (and more)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
so wherever the parts of matters expanded to it still in connection instantaneously in the sense of the instantaneous like the above links (and more) and not as relativity theory suggest.
now since i believe 100/100 that consciousness can't appear without the instantaneous connections between the different parts in the brain, so the universe while expanding more and more and being complex more and more, and at a critical moment (don't be panic) the universe begins to feel like us when we awakened from sleep or Anesthesia. his state is like a child, and slowly over the billions of years he have a full consciousness. we are contained within him like a bacteria or worms in our body. we can't imagine the quality of the universe awareness of the existence because we can't guess the quality of the consciousness of our fathers and mothers ,brothers and friends. this is an inside something.
in concise if a small spider have consciousness as we believe. how the whole universe with unimaginable complexity can't !!.
is this the god, i think no, it is just a creature like any other creatures, and have brothers from other universes as suggested by the idea of multiverse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
the god must be the entity which encompass all this and much more which we can't imagine.
so the crop circles may exist in one second from nothing, if there is no witness at that moment. it may be that the universe want to play. or to send a message.
the same for some figures which appears here and there.
regarding the absolute connectivity of the all parts of the universe, beware , the reader, every action you do are broadcasted instantaneously everywhere in the universe, there is no hide, and it may be other beings can enjoy watching you just by tunning their existential HyperTV, this high technical HyperTV can be like the witch mirror: mirror mirror ....
in concise everything is the sun and the moon at the same time.
and thanks jack for refering to the Mayan calendar , it seems interesting, also the number system they use which depends on 20. i will read more about this.

[Charles Pegge]

http://www.jimnicholsufo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/02-billy-meier-semjase.JPG

http://www.jimnicholsufo.com/04-those-mythical-pleiadians/

[Charles Pegge]

http://www.thegalaxyexpress.com/crop-circles

[kryton9]

Beautiful patterns they sure do make. If these are done in one night, I would say very unlikely they are made by humans. Just to layout the lines with chalked line would take a couple of days, let alone working at night.

[danbaron]

I agree with zak. (Who is more expressive and insightful?)

I agree with Kent.

They have talked about Billy Meier many times on our radio show.

(From the picture, do you think Billy Meier and the girl did more than discuss the cosmos? :yes:)

The crop circles are beautiful. (Do you think that people walked through the field and made that in the dark of one night? Maybe with night-vision surveying equipment? Does it seem likely?) What a smart and nice way to initiate communication, by creating beautiful art on canvases of nature.

7149

This doesn't make sense to me. How can that heavy head be supported by that flimsy neck?

7150

I took this picture, behind my house.

7151

:welcome:

[Charles Pegge]

Arcturians - possibly the original 'little green men' are said to be between 2 and 4 feet tall and claim responsibility for creating the crop circles.

Channeling here :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HngOE0VZCqE&feature=related

Sorry it's utube only Dan. I have not found a script.

Charles

PS: Billy Meier is known to be very creative with his photography, as you will see towards the end of this thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread380900/pg3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier

[kryton9]

Dan, that is nice how you put it about it being a very nice way to initiate contact via art.

Charles, my thoughts on Billy Meier is that he like that guy who made over $200 million dollars in the financial markets on his own, yet felt inadequate in his wealth compared to the old moneyed families that he created stories about being a war hero.

I think Billy did shoot some real footage as seen in some of the videos, especially out in open fields, but I think he got caught up in the attention and also made some fakes, especially single photo shots. You can see a big difference in the quality of the fakes compared to film that he shot of moving saucers.

[danbaron]

Charles:

I finally figured out that I can download the entire video first, and then watch it. Previously, I would just try to watch a video. In that case, it would buffer for about two minutes, then, I would be able to watch about 4 seconds. Then, it would buffer for about two more minutes, and then, I would be able to watch about 4 more seconds. It was like the Chinese water torture. But, I am downloading the whole thing, 8.278 MB, and then I'll watch it.

If the Arcturians actually look like that, then, I think they certainly aren't physically equipped for life on this planet. If you ever saw the movie, Dune, it reminds me of that being who was so physically atrophied, that he was basically just a giant brain with some tiny appendages. His "monk" attendants had to roll him around in a big water-filled aquarium.

Probably I am exaggerating, but if an Arcturian laid down to rest on Earth, he might be finished. When he tried to rise, it could be like his head was glued to the ground. Moreover, when he was in the act of lying down, his head might hit the surface like Humpty Dumpty falling off of the wall. Their skulls appear comparable in strength to eggshells.

And, can you imagine what would happen if one of them was traveling through our atmosphere in a flying saucer, and the saucer made a high speed right angle turn, like they supposedly do?

Unless they have telepathic powers, then, I think that stripped of their technology, in our presence they would be as helpless, as we would be in a tiger cage. There's a downside to mental evolution concurrent with physical devolution, correct?

I still have a problem with how these beings can be getting to our planet. According to Einstein, they should not be able to. I don't think they are bending the space of the Milky Way, wouldn't we see some evidence of that? Maybe if they are taking a shortcut through a higher dimension - but, about that possibility, I think humanity is presently ignorant.

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Kent:

If they are so far ahead of us that they can reach our planet, then, I bet if they wanted to, they could make a city disappear. Imagine, one second New York is there, the next second, there's just dirt. That would get people's attention, yes or no?! Crop circles are preferable, right?

But, to me, if these beings are real, then, it would be great if they did something to help humanity. I'm convinced that the composite of humanity is destructive and self-destructive. I think that without external help, if Homo Sapiens does not become extinct, it will be because of luck, and only after billions die prematurely in the process. Additionally, think about all of the other species which are in the process of becoming extinct, because of humanity.

:unguee:

[danbaron]

I downloaded and watched the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HngOE...eature=related

She is channeling the Arcturians? That's why she has that computer-like voice? Does that mean that Arcturians have computer-like voices, too? It seems somewhat strange to me. I would think that if someone was being channeled, she would still speak in her normal voice.

I also wonder why the phrase, "higher vibration", is always used without explanation. There is always an implicit assumption that it is common sense that, a higher vibration is better. And, as far as I know, there is never an explanation of what is vibrating faster. My New Age mumbo-jumbo detector activates. With respect to vibration, I suspect that many New Age practitioners don't know what the words, "vibration", "frequency", and, "period", mean (and that many of them are ignorant about anything concerning science or mathematics). Say, you strap a person in a chair that moves 3 inches forward, and then 3 inches backward, each second. In that case, the chair is vibrating. Its frequency is 1 cycle per second (1 Hz). Its period is 1 second. Now, say, you increase the chair's frequency (and so, also the person's), to 60 cycles per second. Most likely, when you stop the chair, the person will be dead. So, I don't think that, a, "higher vibration" (frequency), is always a good thing.

They mentioned this site on our radio show tonight.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm

[zak]

why the Aliens don't make a clear contact with the earth people ??.
i have the following imaginative scenario:
the aliens council in planet x, decided after extensive discussions, to prevent any contact with the earth people , because if they want to convey Wisdom-X to us then we the earth people will take that wisdom-x because who convey it are so powerfull, they can travel through space and time, they can resurrect the dead man by a special ray, the can phone other universes in the multiverse or multiverses, they can move a mountain from here to there in one second with all the rabbits and ants and cars and people safely. so when we saw those feats we open our eyes saying waww those aliens are so wise they are gods.
no , we can't consider the lion wiser than the cat just because he is powerfull, take the lion to the dentist to pull out his teeth and magically he will turn into a sweet polite cat , even he will register in the university to study philosophy, give him back his teeth and he will throw philosophy books in the fire and will register in the military academy again.
so the powerfull beings are not necessary wise, and the airplane driver are not wiser than the donkey rider. and we must not have the wisdom-x because it is conveyed from powerfull beings. we must reach to wisdom-x by ourselves.
if alien-2 attact alien-1 and beat him then he will present to us his new world order Wisdom-X++ , and we all will throw our old books about wisdom-x in fire and saying welcome to the new hero alien-2 and hello to the new Wisdom-X++ even it is garbage but wrapped in golden paper.
i haven't weaved the idea very well, but i hope the reader got the idea.

[danbaron]

It does seem that almost always, people only learn from their own experiences.

Does the child believe that the parent is wiser?

Additionally, usually humans with power have only contempt for other humans who are smarter and know more. How often do the bankers, business people, and politicians heed what scientists say? All they care about is getting as much as they can for themselves. So, would they listen to someone from another species?

I can imagine a business man out in a boat in the middle of the ocean, thousands of miles from shore. Only 100 feet below the surface is Atlantis. The man dives down to the bottom and brings up golden coins. He fills his boat with the coins until it sinks, and he drowns. Our world, yes or no?

:grrrr:

[Charles Pegge]

Official!:

FBI documents indicate UFO landings

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod-fbi-documents-indicate-ufo-landings-045b8e8.html


Discussing direct encounters with many ETs, Life the Universe and everything:

George Kavassilas on "Coast to Coast AM"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cweSPrNzpkM&feature=PlayList&p=C709673142F63BDD&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1

[zak]

this is an important recent news, due to this i expect more interest in the subject in the world, and may be other disclosures
Thanks Charles for the continuous support of this thread .

[Charles Pegge]

Is this Gymnast Human? :)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/article/43656/

[John Spikowski]

Is this Gymnast Human?He could probably leap tall buildings if they could teach him how to pole vault. :D

[danbaron]

Weight is proportional to volume.

We can write, something like,

W = c1 * L^3.

c1, is a constant.

L, is the dimension, length; and volume increases with L^3.

Strength is proportional to the cross sectional area of muscles.

We can write, something like,

S = c2 * L^2.

c2, is a constant.

In every case, as L increases (for instance, someone's height), L^3 increases faster than L^2. And, in every case, as L decreases, L^3 decreases faster than L^2.

So, if a human could be shrunk proportionally, the smaller he got, the stronger he would be for his size, and vice versa.

That is why, in diving, figure skating, and gymnastics, often the smallest person wins.

If science could make a grown person one inch tall, then that person would win every tumbling competition - until science made a grown person one centimeter tall. (Incidentally, some people would consent to living out their lives being one centimeter tall, in order to win an Olympic gold medal, right?)

I'm not implying that the guy in the video is not amazing. I didn't see the video. Probably, he is absolutely amazing.

I'm just saying that if they wanted to make diving, figure skating, and gymnastics more fair, they would institute weight classes, like they have in other sports. Actually, I think a case could be made for having weight classes in every sport.

Just from our common experience, we know that relative to its size, a mouse can move much faster than an elephant can, right?

(And, let me know when you see a 7 foot tall gymnast.)

:arrow:

[Charles Pegge]

He does not seem to be tall and appears quite stocky - very strong, high acceleration, wrists of steel and immune to dizziness!

Charles

[Charles Pegge]

UFO ascends in front of film crew.
Moldova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zh4pnxakNs&feature=related

[danbaron]

It looks real to me.

If it is real, then, it is the most amazing thing that I ever saw.

It may be a UFO, but, it certainly doesn't look like a vehicle constructed from atoms.

It seems to drift into the picture from the left, and then to rise and recede.

If I understand correctly, the video has existed since March of 2009.

I wonder where it was all that time.

I think she is speaking Russian, except for at the end, when she says, "How 'bout this?".

(The light appears pure white, I can't imagine how bright it would be at night.)

[kryton9]

As you guys know, I am a UFO nut and search the web everyday for videos.

The first time I saw such light spheres was in the movie Close Encounters and thought they were just a creative addition by Steven Spielberg. But with the internet and being able to research to my hearts content, I see that these types of craft are very common and usually come from a mothership.

I can wrap my mind around traditional saucers, but these light spheres, the shape shifting crafts and crafts that seem to be fading in from one dimension into another is just beyond comprehension.

Here is a great older documentary that I had missed but found on the web. You will notice even the traditional saucers seem to morph shape in the incredible clips. Most of this video is way before digital manipulation is possible and as you see an Optical Physicist from Eastman Kodak Labs confirms the authenticity of the videos.
If you are into UFO research, this is a good one, lots of good data and video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9nB2NxQ9XU

[danbaron]

I wish I could watch it Kent. But, with my slow connection, 536 MB would take forever. I'll have to wait.

Concerning the previous video, if the object was not digitally added, then, I have no explanation for how it could be a hoax. It is silent, moves to the right, stops, and then rises and recedes.

There is only one hoax possibility I can think of. And, I don't know if there is such a technology. Maybe two intersecting lasers could heat the local air molecules to white hot. If the motions of the lasers were synchronized, then their point of intersection could move through the sky. But, I think that idea is a "stretch". The object is too big. It looks more like the flame from a giant sparkler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkler

[kryton9]

Most hoaxes these days are 3D programs being used to generate the UFO effect. There are some incredible hoaxes as well as very blatant false ones.

That documentary is a long one, almost 2 hours, but a good one. Just keep it bookmarked for some future viewing.

[zak]

some commentators about the video link by Charles said that the camera man doesn't focus and zoom in on such an extraordinary event, also the news woman does'nt react enough or show sufficient surprise for such extraordinary event. another commentator :they forgot to add lens flair, for me it is the poor react of the woman which make me suspect the video.
the only case i saw a sky object (other than airplanes and sisters) is from 38 years ago (i'm 58 y old) i saw a may be a meteor , but strangely it is moving slowly and horizontaly above me exactly and with a sound of its move in the air (about 9 PM) . it can't be a rocket since its slow, like the speed of a speedy car. the buildings hide where it may be landed. i can't remeber if it has a tail or not



[Charles Pegge]

Ancient Technology?

Engineers pay close attention!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJ7-R4Zpbk&feature=player_embedded#at=2766

Related Documentaries:

http://unhypnotize.com/ufos-ets/52573-ancient-aliens-alien-tech-s02e06.html

[Charles Pegge]

You may have heard of Gary McKinnon who was caught trawling the computer systems of the Petagon, NSA and Nasa over the internet in 2001. I am happy to say our authorities have not yet dispatched him to the tender mercies of the US authorities thanks to huge publicity and regular exposure on the BBC.

He actually made a few very interesting discoveries in his search for undisclosed UFO evidence.

A full length interview:

Project Camelot interviews Gary McKinnon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY&feature=related

Campaign website:
http://www.freegary.co.uk/

Charles

[danbaron]

I have heard him, I think a few times when, he appeared on my radio show (http://www.coasttocoastam.com (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/)). I think that his mother also appeared separately on the show, and I also heard her. My impressions of them both are favorable. If I remember correctly, he is autistic (but, he sounds normal), and, he was only trying to acquire information about UFOs. If his intentions were evil, then, he and his mother successfully fooled me.

Just like with Julian Assange, they (the U.S. federal government) want to crucify him. From the United States government's point of view, just about the worst thing someone can do, is to embarrass it.

Unfortunately, even from my own tiny experience, government bureaucracy grinds away relentlessly, and, seemingly forever. A long time can pass, and the person may feel that the nightmare is over, and then, the government will again renew its assault, maybe with a new batch of junior bureaucrats. And, what better way is there for a junior bureaucrat to climb the ladder, than to please the Secretary of State or the President, by apprehending such super villains?

I hope he remains free. I am more optimistic for him not ultimately being extradited to the United States, than I am for Assange.