Forthcoming Wikileaks

[Charles Pegge]

A taste of Wikileaks revelations on US diplomacy.

Press previews:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29spy.html?_r=1&ref=wikileaks
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hgMNtwo4dUka60AZr6eMMSIDe9_A?docId=N0327511291008250291A
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1129-wikileaks-iran-20101128,0,6240697.story
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hCmJGkU23bUki_4NgxNdkYBAUK5Q?docId=CNG.050a9c8c5fd91a430d7e435fcc325b90.f51
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jsRnRNeibatX3ooOXV7OCRBWVwaQ?docId=CNG.15cc4feb849a0db79c547e6aa131f09a.c1
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jOSEFypoNiNvm2AnAHw3nVk9ew7w?docId=CNG.15cc4feb849a0db79c547e6aa131f09a.231

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-reports-attack-on-its-web-site/

[Charles Pegge]

US deeply regrets...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101129/video/vwl-us-deeply-regrets-document-release-d7f4ae7.html

[kryton9]

US deeply regrets...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101129/video/vwl-us-deeply-regrets-document-release-d7f4ae7.html

I want to see the files on UFO's, Aliens and the secret space program :)

Many are getting mad at wikileaks, but I figure if the information is already taken, better we know about it being taken then it secretly going to bad hands behind the scenes anyways.

If there is a leak better to know about it than pretend it isn't there.

[danbaron]

I think that in any organization, there is a direct correlation between the degree of secrecy maintained by the administration, and the organization's authoritarianism. A government becomes more and more secretive, because, it is doing more and more things which the citizens would not passively tolerate, if they knew (many of the things which, are most likely, also unlawful). The more secretive a government becomes, the more dysfunctional and corrupt it becomes. As the secrecy of a government increases, its stability, decreases. And, as its stability decreases, it becomes more authoritarian, and it keeps more secrets.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism ,

"Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority. It is opposed to individualism and democracy. In politics, an authoritarian government is one in which political power is concentrated in a leader or leaders, typically unelected by the people, who possess exclusive, unaccountable, and arbitrary power."

I think that the more secrets a government keeps from its citizens, the less the citizens should trust it. Additionally, by keeping so much secret, the government demonstrates that it believes the citizens to be of a lower status, i.e., that they are of less value than the government officials who are deemed worthy of the secret knowledge. I think that history shows that once a government reaches, a "tipping point", the percentage of information which it keeps secret, continually increases. As time passes, it becomes more and more obvious that what the government tells the public, is increasingly divergent from its actions. Then, most of the citizens realize that they are not more than spectators, and have no real power at all. They begin asking themselves, "Why should I feel loyalty to a government which feels no loyalty to me, and which views me with contempt?". In other words, sooner or later the people become aware that (at least) the government's primary, secondary, tertiary, quatenary, and quinary allegiances, are to preserving and strengthening itself.

:p

[Charles Pegge]

U.S. rejected Prime Ministers's personal plea for Gary McKinnon to serve any prison sentence in Britain

This has become a cause célèbre over the years, due to a poorly drafted extradition treaty (2003). Some big cheeses in the Pentagon got very cross with a hacker who suffers from Asbergers syndrome - he is threatened with a 60 year jail sentence.

- I don't understand why they didn't have adequate passwords in the first place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334391/Wikileaks-Gordon-Browns-plea-Gary-McKinnon-serve-sentence-UK-rejected.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-cables-gary-mckinnon-gordon-brown

US Embassy Cables:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/228597

[danbaron]

Gary McKinnon, and also separately his mother have appeared on our radio show, "Coast to Coast".

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=gary+mckinnon

I had heard of Asperger Syndrome, but, I didn't really know what it was (I guess I thought it was something like autism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Concerning extradition, my guess is that the U.S. won't give up. And, I think similarly about Julian Assange (the U.S. will not let him be). And, for Assange, if he cannot be charged for distributing the information, then, there are other ways to harm him, right? Otherwise, who knows what he might reveal in the future? Never openly mock the king, if you want to keep your head, correct?

[Charles Pegge]

These are iconic figures on the world stage. So the Pentagon would be wise to back down. Its reputation is not enhanced by crushing butterflies.

Charles

[danbaron]

Is this the normal functioning of the Swedish justice system and Interpol, or something else? If it is something else, then, the perpetrator government can continually cause these types of problems for him (Julian Assange), until one way or another, he is incapacitated.

(This is one thing that really bothers me. Citizens are prosecuted by their government for breaking any law at all, while the government secretly breaks any law it wishes. And, the government does not need to worry about being prosecuted, because, it will never prosecute itself. It will however secretly break more laws, in order to harm investigators who investigate incidents, in which it has secretly broken laws.)

Luring someone into a, "honey trap", violates the law, correct?

Pressuring (or bribing) one participant in a sexual encounter to file criminal charges against another participant, violates the law, correct?

Pressuring (or bribing) a country to file criminal charges against an individual, violates the law, correct?

Pressuring (or bribing) Interpol to issue an arrest warrant for an individual, violates the law, correct?

Is it just a coincidence, that three days after WikiLeaks released 250,000 secret U.S. State Department documents, Interpol issued a, "Red Alert", global arrest warrant for WikiLeaks' founder (Julian Assange)?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/interpol-issues-red-notice-for-arrest-of-wikileaks-julian-assange.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

http://www.businessinsider.com/reminder-here-are-the-sex-crimes-interpol-wants-julian-assange-arrested-for-2010-11

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Assange-Is-Headed-For-Pros-by-Sherwood-Ross-101130-869.html

[Charles Pegge]

Wow! heady stuff! It is alarming that the USA keeps 0.8% of its population in jail. (it's mostly drugs). I reckon that makes the chances of an individual doing time in the jail house around 10%.

http://www.november.org/graphs/LeadingJailer.gif

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

[José Roca]

Isn't calling for assassination a criminal ofence in Canada?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtIafdoH_g

[danbaron]

Doesn't that mean that the United States is the most dysfunctional society in the world?

Approximately 7.5 times the average incarceration rate for Europe, that's an amazing statistic, isn't it?

Here, many people know that the U.S. is number one in jailing, but, by the society as a whole, the fact is ignored. You see it so much here, people who become unhinged when you press them about a reality such as this one. The media directs itself to those who are not in jail. Overall, people mesmerize themselves into believing that this is the most wonderful place on Earth. The more that facts intrude on their fantasy, the more they wave the flag.

Additionally, those in jail receive free food, shelter, and health care. Those not in jail who are without jobs, sooner or later, are on the streets.

Basically, here, the jailed and homeless, are invisible. You can drive past a prison, and not see even one prisoner. And, the more money a person has, the less likely he is to ever see a homeless person. The jailed and homeless are not organized. It becomes almost impossible to organize, when you are constantly occupied with trying to survive. Also, the jailed and homeless, have no money. And here that means, they have no public voice.

Most Americans have never been to another country. They only know the, "American way". And their parents and grandparents only knew the American way. They don't want to hear one word about changing the way things are done here. The predominant state, is of rigidity. Some are rigid because, their lives are good, they profit from the system as it is - and those people control the system, so it remains static. And some are rigid because of fear and stupidity. There is a subset of people who, desperately want things to remain just as they are, no matter how awful that may be. Probably because, there is always a possibility that any change, could make things worse. Some people are too fearful to ever take any chance at all.

[Charles Pegge]

Julian Assange Interviews:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034040,00.html?xid=rss-mostpopular


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGqE726OAo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[danbaron]

A Canadian fatwa, ==>

http://www.prisonplanet.com/university-of-calgary-professor-and-senior-advisor-to-canadian-pm-calls-for-julian-assange-assassination-on-national-tv.html

(It's hard to believe how much humanity has evolved both morally and psychologically, since the beginning of recorded history!)

[kryton9]

I guess they read my post earlier for my wish :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8180528/Wikileaks-new-diplomatic-cables-contain-UFO-details-says-Julian-Assange.html

[danbaron]

I hear about the UFO reports on Coast to Coast all of the time. Usually, when the witnesses are interviewed on the radio, they sound as rational as can be.

On the other hand, according to the theory of relativity, it should be almost impossible for beings from other stars to get here. We've gone through this before. Here is a link.

http://www.thinbasic.com/community/showthread.php?10799-Earth-Like-planet-20-light-years-away&p=81207#post81207

At 99% of light speed (c), the time and mass dilations are approximately 7.09, if I am correct.

The nearest star is about 4 light years away.

At 99% of c, it would take,

4 / 0.99 = 4.04 years (as viewed from Earth).

But, because of the time dilation, for those on the spaceship it would take,

4.04 / 7.09 = 0.57 years.

That seems pretty good. The problem is that (I think) the masses of the spaceship and everything it contains will also be multiplied by 7.09.

And, when your mass is 7 times what it normally is, that will cause you significant difficulty.

In space, things are weightless, but there, mass still matters. For instance, imagine you are in space standing on top of a stationary spaceship, with your shoes fastened to the top of the spaceship. First, you throw a baseball as hard as you can. Then, you throw an iron sphere of the same size as the baseball, as hard as you can. Both of the objects are weightless. But, you will be able to throw the baseball much faster than the iron sphere, because the baseball has less mass.

So, if you are inside the spaceship moving at 0.99 c, you will be able to move your muscles approximately 1/7th as fast as you normally can. Your heart will have to work 7 times as hard to pump your blood. It will be 7 times as hard for you to breathe. I think it would be very difficult for anyone to survive the approximately 7 month trip.

If you go slower, then the time and mass dilations, decrease. Probably, going at 0.5 c would be tolerable for your body. If I remember correctly, the dilations then, are only about 1.2.

But, then, the time for you just to reach the nearest star would be approximately,

4 / 0.5 / 1.2 = 6.67 years.

Additionally, to accelerate a spaceship to 0.5 c, would take an almost unimaginable amount of energy.

The diameter of our galaxy, the Milky Way, is approximately 100,000 light years. But, just traveling 4 light years would take approximately 7 years. So, I don't know how anyone could be coming here.

From the physics we know, it should be very hard for aliens to be visiting Earth. So, there is a puzzle that I don't understand.

(By the way, the closest neighboring galaxy to ours, is Andromeda, which is 2.5 million light years away. If you were in a spaceship halfway between the Milky Way and Andromeda, then, I think you would be over one million light years, from anything at all - believe it or not!)

:p

[kryton9]

To me the pilots, astronauts, radar controllers and the stories coming out from former Missile Silo Commanders and personnel is all the evidence I need that UFO's exist. Now how many are et's and how many are secret projects I don't know. But I sure want to know what our government knows on these matters.

[Charles Pegge]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/08/3087467.htm?section=justin

[Charles Pegge]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/14/julian-assange-bail-sweden

[Charles Pegge]

Short Interview BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011867


Bradley Manning

confinement for seven months under torture conditions

http://www.thenation.com/blog/157175/forgetting-bradley-manning

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/16/bradley-manning-health-deteriorating

[danbaron]

http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir02012011.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner02012011.html

[Charles Pegge]

I trust the BBC World Service and also BBC Radio4. I do not have a Telly and most of what I see on my family and friends TV sets deters me from getting one.

Newspaper circulations are in decline. Creating heros and then turning them into villains is an often used device to create new stories, and vested interests will take advantage of this.

Charles

[kryton9]

I used to trust the BBC till they called World Trade Center 7 collapsing before it did and you could see it in the background as the news reporter was reporting...

I think that most major media has been taken over by those pushing a certain world agenda... it is confusing, better to focus on computers and technology and keep our heads in the tech sand/land :)

[Charles Pegge]

It is a healthy sign that the BBC can be self-critical in public.

This is a report about the Director General of the BBC being "roasted" live on Radio4 in peak audience time

BBC director general Mark Thompson thrown by PD James's detective work

Today programme guest editor – and former BBC governor – gives corporation's top manager a thorough grilling

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/31/bbc-mark-thompson-pd-james

Charles

[danbaron]

"I think most people would accept that if we want to have the best people working for the BBC, delivering the best programmes and best services... the BBC has to bear to some extent in mind the external market,"

But he insisted that the 17-fold ratio between his own £834,000 package and average BBC pay was far smaller than in most FTSE-listed private companies, where top bosses could earn 100 or more times as much as average staff members.

Presumably, he is the best of the best, and modest, too.

Since, he makes 17 times as much as the average BBC employee, then, I guess he must be 17 times as good as the average BBC employee. Do you think?!

:mad::p:mad:

[Charles Pegge]

It enrages many people that we have a virtual Cartel operating among senior company executives and bankers who determine how much they are going to pay themselves. Many of the large corporates have turnovers running into billions, so paying out 20 million or so on the top management is affordable.

Charles

[danbaron]

But he insisted that the 17-fold ratio between his own £834,000 package and average BBC pay was far smaller than in most FTSE-listed private companies, where top bosses could earn 100 or more times as much as average staff members. "It really is a privilege (to work at the BBC) and everyone here in the senior echelons should accept that there will be a very big discount, they will get paid much less than they could earn outside the BBC," he said.

Moral relativism.

Did you notice that for almost any person in a position of power, all morality is relative?

I can imagine Bush and Blair saying, "We were much better than Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot.".

Obama seems to always try to position himself in the middle. I can imagine that if he had been president (or prime minister, whatever it is called) of Germany, and the Nazis had been the opposition party, then, only three million Jews would have been killed.

:mad::p:mad: