BP (fixed)

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]Let me know if you find an honest corporation, or one that cares about anything except profits.

In this country (United States), if I steal a car, I'll go to jail, but if a corporation destroys the ocean, the top executives remain free as birds.

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Dan :x :P

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100602/ts_afp/usoilpollutionenvironment_20100602053409

http://www.rdmag.com/News/FeedsAP/2010/06/energy-bp-doing-1st-cut-in-effort-to-contain-gulf-oil/

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]I thought of a method that might be able to stop the oil leak. Right now, the top of the pipe is bent. And, BP is
working to cut off the top of the pipe below the bend. Once the top is cut off, what should remain, is a vertical 22
inch I.D. (inside diameter) pipe that extends thousands of feet beneath the ocean floor. Oil is flowing up and out of
the pipe, into the sea water. I don't know what the pressure is in the pipe, but it can be calculated by measuring the
velocity of the expelled oil. My idea is to lower a big "nail" (like you hit with a hammer), into the pipe. BP could
easily manufacture it. What they make, would look exactly like a big nail. It would be solid, made of steel, have a
point at the bottom, and a head at the top. The shaft should be approximately 21 inches in diameter, so that it could
fit inside the pipe. The shaft length should be calculated to minimally be long enough so that the underwater weight of
the nail equals the upward force (pressure times cross sectional area) in the pipe. Actually, the greater the shaft
length is above the calculated minimum length, the better (the greater the force would be between the top of the pipe
and the bottom of the nail head). The nail would be lowered by a cable, point first into the pipe. The diameter of the
nail head should be greater than the pipe's O.D. (outside diameter), maybe 30 inches would work. Attached to the bottom
of the nail head there should be a thick layer of some rubber-like material. The nail is lowered into the pipe until it
stops, when the rubber "washer" becomes compressed between the top of the pipe, and the bottom of the nail head. That
should stop the oil flow, or at least most of it. Then, for extra security, screw clamps could be connected and
tightened between the top of the nail head and the bottom of the flange that is attached to the pipe just above the five
story blowout preventer, which failed to function, and caused the disaster.

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Dan :x :P

[danbaron]

[font=courier new]"sToP mE b4 i kiL agEn"

http://www.grist.org/article/why-bp-is-a-textbook-pyschopath

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]Good news! :occasion:

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/07/senator-nelson-says-bp-well-integrity-may-be-blown

According to this article, the pressure in the pipe may be, approximately, 12,000 psi.

If so, then according to a quick (maybe, correct) calculation I made, the length of the "nail" shaft (see post above), would need to be at least 4435 feet (for a 21 inch diameter nail shaft). That seems pretty long. On the other hand, I think the distance from the sea floor to the oil reservoir, is approximately three miles. So, I think my idea would be possible. The nail could be made in segments, and then connected together at sea.

Now, I see that I forgot something in the above calculation. If the diameter of the nail head is the same as the outside diameter of the pipe, then, you can subtract the water pressure from the 12,000 psi. They say the sea floor is a mile down, so, if I use 5280 feet as the water depth, I get 3589 feet as the minimum (balancing) length of the nail shaft. In that case, the upward force of the oil on the nail, would be exactly balanced by the downward force of the nail shaft's weight. So, you would want to make the nail shaft somewhat longer than 3589 feet, so that the total net force is downward.

If, as this article speculates, oil is escaping between the exterior of the pipe, and the surrounding rock wall, then, I guess only a relief well would work. The idea of the relief well, is to drill into the existing pipe, far beneath the sea floor, and then inject concrete into the pipe, plugging it. But, if oil is also escaping from between the exterior of the pipe and the rock, then, additionally, I think they also would need to inject concrete around the pipe's exterior. But, to me, the likelihood of being able to seal an exterior leak, outside the pipe (as opposed to an interior leak, inside the pipe), seems much lower. The article indicates that there may be multiple exterior leaks, coming from locations where adjacent pipe segments have disconnected from each other. I think that would be a very bad situation.

My guess now, is that this incident could become one of the greatest catastrophes in American history. I hope I am wrong. But, similar to 9/11, I think it will take time for people to be able to psychologically process the consequences of what is happening. Additionally, my speculation is that both BP and the American government, are saying much less than they know. Both, have a vested interest in avoiding a sudden explosion of mass rage.

I have heard that BP is basically a marketing company, that it subcontracts out the actual oil work (I don't know for sure). I think that this could be the end for BP, at least in the United States. If you see any video of Tony Hayward (the BP CEO), look for indicators of psychological denial, or physical indicators of stress, maybe facial tics.

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Dan :x :P

[danbaron]

http://www.counterpunch.org/cooke06092010.html

[kryton9]

There is more than we know about the mess in the Gulf Dan. I visit and read many conspiracy sites as they at least offer alternate news. Of course, Coast to Coast A.M is another source I really enjoy listening too late at night. You get great guests and experts in wide area of fields discussing things you just don't hear anywhere else in a polite manner. The incredible slow response of BP as well as the government is unexplainable. When you see movement like that... it usually means something else is a foot way behind the scenes :)

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]What you just wrote, I do exactly the same. I've listened to Coast To Coast, on and off for years. Now, there are so many contradicting explanations for every event, that it seems almost impossible to ever be certain about anything. But, I think that's good. Hopefully, people will learn not to continually be suckered by the federal government, the international corporations, the global bankers, Wall Street, and, their loyal butler - the mainstream media.

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Dan

[kryton9]

It is amazing how Coast to Coast is growing ever more popular and the many guests get to put their knowledge on the show, then out on youtube or their own websites. I think a global awakening is happening, so there is a glimmer of hope. I am really excited to see movements starting up in Europe, it shows that even under decades of a whole continent being the test bed for a new world order that freedom and individuality are still in the genes of man and won't be muted.

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]I absolutely agree that people will always fight against injustice and inequality. To me, the problem that the elites have had throughout history is, they don't know where the "line" is. What I mean, is that everyone will tolerate some level of misery. As long as they still feel that, overall, their lives are worth living. But, beyond that point, they begin to feel they have nothing to lose. Then, they may think, "they can only kill me once". If a critical mass of people comes to feel that way, then, that is when the insurrections begin. For example, the French Revolution. Marie Antoinette supposedly said, "Let them eat cake.". And, I bet that later, she regretted the remark.

I remember when I first heard the phrase, "New World Order". Bush's father used it when he was president. At the time I thought, "am I the only one who doesn't know what he is talking about?". I had never heard the phrase before, and he just used it, without explanation. As I recall, no one in the mainstream media explained the phrase, either. To me, overall, the American mainstream media (and maybe every country's) is a fraud. The primary allegiance of each member who is well known, is to his or her paycheck; which means, to the organization. It has to be, otherwise, he/she would not have been able to climb so high up the ladder. The system would have automatically stopped the person's advancement. In almost any organization (politics being the perfect example), you don't advance, if you are honest, and refuse to go along with dishonesty and injustice. You have to, "Go along, to get along", yes? The climber tells his boss exactly what his boss wants to hear, correct? Let me know where right and wrong fit into the picture.

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[kryton9]

Here is a list of stations with web streams that stream Coast to Coast AM for those members in other countries that like to listen while working.
http://streamingradioguide.com/radio-show.php?showid=667

From the list above, I listen often to KVI AM, because it is diagonally the farthest away from me, so it is fun to listen to a station so far away.

Many times, if I miss a show live, I find a replay the next day on winamp via shoutcast radio.
Just run winamp, in the media library select shoutcast radio and do a search for Coast to Coast,
You will get a few that replay classic broadcasts from the passed and one or two streams of the previous nights show.

You can also use this google search:
coast to coast site:shoutcast.com

Happy listening

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]For me, it is on KFI 640 AM, out of L.A.

Believe it or not, it is on 10 PM to 5 AM, seven nights per week. It is live from 10 PM to 2 AM, and then they replay the first three hours.

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[kryton9]

I'll give them a listen one night. KVI seems to have more music in between segments than my local station so it is neat hearing differences for the same syndicated shows as they come from different areas.

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]Who wants to buy some BP stock?

(It's no joke for the pension funds.)

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Dan :x :P

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5995.shtml

[MikeStefanik]

Marie Antoinette supposedly said, "Let them eat cake.". And, I bet that later, she regretted the remark.


Particularly since she never said that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake) and the general, historical opinion is that it's a myth.

[danbaron]

[font=courier new][size=8pt]I used the word, "supposedly".

Anyway, whether she said it or not, I don't think the point I made in that paragraph is affected. (But, I'm not an
historian. If you are one, and you know better, then, you can correct me (or, maybe you saw the movie, --> "Marie
Antoinette" - Kirsten Dunst, 2006).) In France at that time, the peasants were starving, while they viewed the royalty
as living in uncaring, insulated luxury. The result, was a revolution. And, the absolute monarchy, which had ruled
France for centuries, was over within three years. (I admit, I've simplified the causes. If you want to read about them
in more detail, then, you might look at this link, --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_French_Revolution .)

Here are two quotes about Marie Antoinette.

Whatever Marie Antoinette's faults—in addition to her renowned extravagance, she was unable to comprehend the French
people's thirst for democracy—she did not respond to news that starving Parisians had no bread by saying: "Let them eat
cake." According to Fraser, this monumental indifference was first ascribed, probably also apocryphally, to Maria
Theresa, the Spanish princess who married Louis XIV more than a century before Marie Antoinette set foot in France.
Still, for more than two centuries, historians have debated whether Marie Antoinette bore the blame for her fate or was
a victim of circumstance. Although she remained a fervent supporter of absolute royal power and an unrepentant enemy of
democratic ideals, her many acts of compassion included tending to a peasant gored by a stag and taking in a poor orphan
boy and overseeing his education. "She was so happy at doing good and hated to miss any opportunity of doing so," wrote
Madame Campan, the First Lady of the Bedchamber. The softhearted queen, it seems, hungered more for tenderness than
power.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/biography/marieantoinette.html

Some contemporary sources, such as Mary Wollstonecraft and Thomas Jefferson, place the blame of the French Revolution
and the subsequent Reign of Terror squarely on Marie Antoinette's shoulders; others, such as those who knew her (her
lady-in-waiting Madame Campan and the royal governess, the marquise de Tourzel, among them), focus more on her sweet
character and considerable courage in the face of misunderstanding and adversity. Immediately after her death, the
picture painted by the libelles of the queen was generally held as the "correct" view of Marie Antoinette for many
years, as the news of her execution was received with joy by the French populace, and the libelles themselves did not
stop circulating even after her death.

http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/m/Marie_Antoinette.htm