Request: Please leave threads open

[Mike Trader]

Eros,
You dont give us all a chance to contribute when you close threads. I would like to request that you leave these kinds of threads open.
http://community.thinbasic.com/index.php?topic=2861.0

Ihave no clue about IBasic and was very interested to read about the troubles good developers are having with bandits like this. Are you protecting this guy or just trying to dodge any hint of controversy?

Either way, I would suggest that neither os a good idea. Thruth is truth. Good developers with ethics deserve to know who the bad guys are to avoid serious expensive consequences.

If you figure that living expenses alone are about $5k/mo this guy lost $10k. That's not to be taken lightly.

Please be a little more tolerant of dissention (if it is not purile flaming of course). Peoples experience with these clowns is very important. These are stories that need to be heard.

[ErosOlmi]

Mike,

in principle I can agree with you about leaving threads open but in practice that post would have been just an excuse to talk about something else.
Time has passed and IBasic story cannot be revamped other than for pure curiosity. Maybe people touched by that story can have something else to say but do you think it is worth now, after so much time?

In any case, if you have something to say or some curiosity, you can always open a new post.

Eros

[Mike Trader]

The people involved in this story are part of a small community of mostly great developers. Mistreating a member of this community is something I want to hear about. Everyone should be concerned by this. It is absolutly NOT ok.

When an Admin closes a thread, it sends a signal that this is not a topic for discussion. Starting a new thread in the face of this can be considered impolite at best. No one wants to tick off the forum admin so the subject is effectivly dead.

I understand your point about time passing, but this event goes directly to the reputation of that person. Like ebay for example, a reputation is very important in this community. None of us work in a vacuum. Developing a project and getting stiffed is about the most outrageous form of misconduct in our business. I would never do business with someone that did that to another developer and I want to know about this.

Yes this is talking about "something else" other than code, but it is something that is fundamental to what we do. We all work LONG hours on projects. We rely on tools and vendors heavily, when deadlines are important. There is nothing that cuts more deeply than getting unexpectly shut down. So while this does not directly go to code development, it is equally important as relevant as a compiler bug.

For example when I needed a Grid, I bought the one linked to the PB site SI Grid. I had a deadline and when I got stuck (as a result of an incomplete feature set as it turned out) I could not get that guy to respond at all.
http://planetsquires.com/support/index.php?PHPSESSID=0be1ca50ec6eebfa32b94ea142b04c2b&topic=2244.msg11276#msg11276

Luckily I managed to figure out a way to get something working so I could deliver a dialed down version while I switched to Elias's excellent EGrid
http://www.egrid32.com/

Elias was responsive and helped me create EXACTLY what I needed in days. Mr SIGrid Software innovators never got back to me and then vanished
http://www.powerbasic.com/support/pbforums/showthread.php?t=34899

The project i was using a grid in was a very tight deadline and turned into one of my biggest clients to date. had I read this kind of story then, I would have verified that he was indeed going to support his product or just looked further a field.

So yes, this kind of thread is inextricably woven into what we do and is as relevant a year from now as it is today. This is the first I have heard about any of this. I spend months at a time developing, as do others without much contact with the community, so when I do surface, I would like to be able to join in with this kinds of threads.

We all wish that this kind of thing would just "go away" so we can concentrate on what we love doing, but it doesn't just "go away". People are hurt by this kind of stuff and it is our duty as responsible, ethical members of this community, not to ignore it and brush it under the mat because it is akward.

I would feel terrible if read a post by someone a year from now, that got ripped off or impacted in ANY way by these kinds of people. There are some really wonderful giving people in this community, and they deserve better.

[ErosOlmi]

Ok than. Thread is now open again.
Hope that if someone have something to say, he/she will remain on IBasic story only.